From: Bob Charlton "Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:47:22 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: BOC Net News #04 BOC Net News #04 iss.02Dec1997 / 04Dec1997 / 05Dec1997 Please accept my apology if you recieved prior mailshots PIPEX still appear to be having technical difficulties upgrading and we seem to be suffering from the backwash. GENERAL If you historically need to use Longlines or Word wrap etc... "Select it now! and reload this article, to avoid off screen " scrolling. WEB SITE Changes are now almost in place of which more detail later. I have reported a lack of info from BOC but have had expanded information from BRONZ about their Easter jaunt around the beauty spots of NZ to celebrate their first 50 years. It is worth noting that we should also be celebrating in 1998 the fiftieth anniversary of the Type 401 and successively the variants of the Aerodyne series. This will I think be a theme of the Club "display at the National Exhibition centre, though no one has " confirmed. On the car scene a 405 Drophead has surfaced in the USA. It was last listed by the club thought extinct in the early seventies. Apparently it is still a restoration possibility so that was a surprise. Also apparently a 406. They do seem to be popping up here and there. A very late Britannia was advertised recently which has extended the apparent span of production of that model substantially unless it was "reimported from foreign parts, which seems _not_ to be the case. " It was first registered in August 1991 and is chassis number 9539001. The PALAWAN PRESS book on BRISTOL Continues to be constructed. It will not be out for Christmas this year because data is still being compiled. The good news is that LJKS had set himself the task of writing a script of about 80k words. In fact when he really got stuck in to it it finally checked in at 120k words. Which means there will be much more data and fascinating history encapsulated. Some of you will be aware that the Photographer commissioned to take the catalogue of cars has been working throughout the summer at locations all over the place. I have seen some of the shots taken and they are real quality. If the rest are as good it will be a fabulous presentation. There are currently moves afoot to track down such cars as the 406 E and the Beutler drophead. I hope they can also be included. To give an idea of the breadth of the search cars currently in NZ and Australia are now in the brief to complete certain sections. I can't wait to see the final production. So you still have some time yet to save up for it. BOC WEB SITE There have been some substantial alterations to the site to appraise you of this time. First all the pages are now fully compliant with HTML W3.2C protocol. There might have been a few spelling mistakes. It is almost impossible for an author to proof read his/her own work. So fingers "crossed, it was substantially correct in that department too. " Because 1998 is the start of the progressive bicentenaries of the "Aerodynes I have added, to Type 401 page (courtesy in part to the " "Alfa Romeo 1900 Registrar who was at the Brooklands Concours), " details of the 401 Farina. The 401 Beutler is also covered.. Amongst many other items scattered throughout the site there is better cover of the 407 including the Viotti. For those of you with browsers capable of rendering animation there are a number of simple animated gif files now included. I have not added Frames at this stage because frankly they would not materially improve line loading speed. For those of you with text only or non animation capable browsers I have included the full text or static equivalent defaults to images. There are more inter page links and if you are not on the guided tour this might substantially improve page hopping to specific referenced items. Sadly I have noted the Frazer Nash Mille Miglia model image has not arrived and since we have lost direct access to the server it might take a couple of weeks to get that sorted. The Team.net webmaster is currently inundated with other club sites and alterations. If you spot any more items not loading and they are not in the images directories please let me know in order that I might get it sorted. Some of the new items carry a marker which will be removed at the next page change. There is more on the Type 411 page for example. Many other Type pages have additions. Sadly I still do not have details of the Re Prints page and there is nothing I can do about that. I have started to draft in some subject headings but that's about as far as I can get with it until I'm presented with the data. I apologized about this the last time so you know the score. SORN.... What is it... what does it do... who does it apply to? An acronym which stands for... Statutory Off Road Notification. Introduced by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority. As of 31st Jan 1998 this applies in the UK to all vehicles which are taxed on or after this date and are SUBSEQUENTLY taken off the road UNLICENSED for whatever reason. So if like me you take your car off the road for the winter but it is still licensed it does not apply. However gaps in replacement of Taxation procedure will be automatically noted and warning notices will be issued. If these are ignored there will be automatic issue of prosecution. Once a vehicle has been notified Off Road there will be a requirement "of confirmation of status ANNUALLY thereafter, and a reminder that " declaration is due will be issued in due time by the DVLA. This is part of a concerted campaign to eliminate TAX renewal delays "or ""month skipping"" actual Tax Evasion, which is costing taxpayers " "millions of pounds of Taxation Revenue, which is not currently " collected. Other taxes have go up as a result to address the loss. It is one of the reasons classic cars over 25 years old are now credited with Tax exempt status started 2 years ago. There will be more on this in either the Bulletin or the Newsletter. DATA for the BULLETIN or NEWSLETTER Editors. If you have anything for Bulletin Editor you can reach Chris Smithies by e-mail at; cpks@penop.com If you have anything for the Newsletter contact Cathy Crownshaw at; editor@bocnews.demon.co.uk Well that is about it. I have asked Lane Smytheman if he can organize "some pictures and a story of the BRONZ Bicentenary Tour, so we can " give it some coverage in the Bulletin too. If you have anything else to contribute you know the contact points. Finally I cannot contact you all by Snail Mail so may I take this opportunity of wishing the American readers a belated ;) " ""Happy Thanksgiving"" " "and to ALL of you my wishes that you have both, " " ""Merry Christmas"" and a very ""Happy New Year"". " "cheers, :)) " "PS. Practical Classics (January Issue) on News Stands etc., from " "tomorrow 6th December 1997, has promised an illustrated article on " Bristol Cars. Bob Charlton - Bristol Owners Club - http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ Message composed in Pluto beta v.0.37+ From: bristol@argonet.co.uk (Bob Charlton) "Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:50:23 BST " Subject: BOC Net News #03 BOC Net News #03 11Sep1997 COMPOSITION A couple of people have complained about the way their mail reader presents the text of these news letters. As some of you know I don't use a PC. I use an Acorn StrongARM powered RiscOS machine - a case of " ""INTEL outside - NOT fried inside"". " So if text is scanning off your screen you should stop and set your Long Lines Word Wrap NOW... or whatever your reader equivalent is of it. Then restart. That should sort it. My mail composer auto wraps at about 72 characters so if you use character wraps with a bit of experimentation you could match it that way too. Most of you will have no problems at all. BOC WEB SITE I have just changed the web site pages 'Events' and 'News'. If Australia or New Zealand or USA have updates or new events let me know I'll be happy to slot them in. As for UK what next? Hello! I apologise for the delay in the 'Reprint' page data I am still waiting for the authorized text. Since I haven't heard a single complaint about the Website quite the opposite in fact so I guess the rest must be working OK... said he touching wood... fingers crossed... etc.etc... We are almost at a recorded 3000 visits since the counter was installed. Perhaps our fame is spreading or the Search Engines are disappointing some poor souls who thought 'bristol' stood for something else??? ;)) I still need good colour pictures for the web site inclusion on the "Blenheim, and to slot in where missing on 411 etc. If you have any to " spare can you send them on? I have plenty 411s3 and 603 to S2 series but still need some of Britannia and Brigand. AUTOMOBILIA Have just received NEW 6th.annual edition of the Holden Catalogue. If you have not heard of it but are looking for electrical or general auto accessories then it comes very highly recommended. eg. Flicking quickly thro' the 'UNDERNEATH' section I spotted sets of Bristol 400/401/402/403 boxed sets of Copper/Alloy Brake pipes. "These are in boxed sets, cut to lengths, Brass fixings fixings pre- " "attached ends formed, and every pipe has a label telling you what it " ifs for and where it goes. This appears to be a new line. See p.100. Code 065.316 Cost 66.84 UKP net. eg. Noted in Lights section 7.5inch PF770 Headlamps and all fixings required are still listed in "both early and later formats, with or without backshells which are also " available. eg. Halogen conversion and emergency spare bulb kits are now available as well as thousands of other items. Cost of 130 page catalogue is 4UK pounds incl.postage in UK/EEC. This is an absolute must for restorers and owners. Now Holden is also on the Net with their web site at URL: http://www.holden.co.uk or you can e-mail: holden@holden.co.uk Contact details on their website. UK Tel.01885 488488 or FAX.01885 488889 EVENTS Have never heard how the Birmingham and Midlands Motor Museum of Transport meeting or BAMMOT went at 'Brum' but Michael Barton has kindly informed me that the Concours was well attended and most enjoyable - a good venue... A while since I heard _that_ comment! Hope next years is just as good. Hope to see some pictures in one of Chris Smithies future Bulletins. If you have anything for Bulletin Editor you can reach him by e-mail at cpks@penop.com If you have anything for the Newsletter contact Cathy Crownshaw at editor@bocnews.demon.co.uk Well that's about it for now. If you have changed your address or want to have you name removed from the circulation list let me know direct. If you know of a Bristol Club member or member of an associate Bristol "Club eg. Arnolt Registry, BOCA, BRONZ, who wants to get onto the " mailing list tell them to contact me direct or send me their name and "preferred contact details. Bear in mind this is not for ""unlimited"" " world wide distribution it is for Club and associated Club members info. SNIPPETS A friend of mine went to the garage and traded in his little car. One day later his father said he had bought a car. Guess which one it was... If they'd only talked to each other they each could have saved at least 500 UK Pounds!!! Does that take the biscuit or what? Absolutely finally - Claude Lewenz sent me an e-mail composed in the Channel Tunnel en route from France to London. After attending a Wedding in Bordeaux? He managed to be in Paris when Diana - Princess of Wales was killed... and in London a week later for the Funeral. Now that you're off to the next part of your trip to the far East "Claude I hope it is less eventful, and like the wedding much more " enjoyable. Keep us posted. This would make a brilliant story for the Bulletin... Chris are you onto it? "cheers 'til the next time, " Bob Charlton - Bristol Owners Club - http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ * This message comes to you via beta version 0.28b of Pluto * la1.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA28999 for 16 Apr 1997 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bristol@argonet.co.uk (BOC General Registrar) " 101761.2475@compuserve.com, bristols@oakview.demon.co.uk, " " d.r.evans@tees.ac.uk, geomowat@vossnet.co.uk, johnemery@dial.pipex.com, " " michael@jbl.nwnet.co.uk, richard.spira@chjs.co.uk, " " rstaton@cix.compulink.co.uk, simon@angelacampbell.co.uk, " " tsm@cix.compulink.co.uk, 101513.2500@compuserve.com, " " bristolcar@aol.com, cpks@penop.com, lcook@fs2.scg.man.ac.uk, " " puffer@cix.compulink.co.uk, bsbrbank@pacbell.net, " " rampant_ranger@msn.com, mcgou@msn.com, irie@iprolink.co.nz, " " ian_poll@euronet.nl, hdknox@next.com.au, gsmytheman@deloitte.co.nz, " " caples.julian.jwe@bhp.com.au, bristolcar@aol.com, " " acoombes@hk.super.net, 105517.200@compuserve.com " "Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 13:44:48 " Subject: ++ NetLink Bulletin Apr97 ++ It is some time since I issued a bulletin but there has been a quite lot ha ppening about which some of you may have read. I have been waiting for clar ification of some items but here is what has been revealed. The BIG NEWS is that Bristol Cars Limited have two new directors. These being reported by the Daily Telegraph Business News 29/3/97 as Arthur Silverton and his son Toby Silverton. QUOTE; """The owner of Bristol Cars one of Britain91s last independent luxury car " "manufacturers, has angrily rejected suggestions that he is to sell a 40pc " stake in the company. The business formed in 1946 as part of the Bristol A "ircraft Company, is owned by Tony Crook,74, who has run it for 40 years and " " maintains a secretive profile, declining to reveal it91s sales or commen " t about it91s operation. Rumours of a partial sale have been rife among i t91s enthusiastic following. One source suggested that a deal is being st "ruck to sell 40pc to Arthur Silverton, 69, of Basingstoke, and his son Tob " "y silverton, 40. They became directors of Bristol Cars last month. Mr Croo " k said this information is wrong-but he refused to comment on speculation t hat that he is planning to reduce his stake. He said 94We have not sold 40 pc of the company and it is not any business of anybody what we have sold. I have financed the company for 40 years. It is nobodies business whether I have 100pc or 97pc.. It is my company and if I want to sell a few shares t hen jolly good luck to me. We never discuss how many cars we make in a year ". We do not disclose anything else."" Mr Crook added: ""The company is in fin " "e fettle.It is making cars, we took a couple of orders yesterday for new c " ars and an order today for a new car.95 Bristol which still has it91s man "ufacturing base at Patchway, near Bristol, has a showroom in London91s Ke " nsington High St.. It still supplies spares for the original 1946 cars and it91s vehicles are popular with the rich and famous. New Bristol Blenhei m cars sell at up to A3140000. Actress Patsy Kensit is reported to have or dered on with a bed in the back as a present for her fiance Liam Gallaghe r of Oasis. However Mr Crook refused to comment saying: 94Many of the peo ple who buy cars from us do not want it known. To me all my owners are fam "ous"" " END OF QUOTE. The above article was written by Andrew Cave. Further there has been some fresh investment in essential spare parts. More detail of which will surely follow. At the 1997 AGM there were a large number of changes to the line up of exec "utive committee members and non exec members posts, these are as follows; " NEW COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS Chairman Geoffrey Herdman (Harry Wareham was made Hon.Mem.) Hon.Secretary Geoffrey Hawkins (Brian Cuddigan was made Hon.Mem.) Hon.Treasurer Mike Barton (Geoffrey Herdman retired from post) REMAINING IN COMMITTEE POSTS Hon.Mem.Secy. John Emery Vice Chairman Dave Allen APPOINTEE (non exec) Bulletin Editor Christopher Smithies (Replacing Ray Cross) n.b. Initially to be assisted by Mike Cross ADDITIONAL (non exec) Events Secy. Andrew Stevens REMAINING (non exec) Competition Secy. Alexa Scott-Plummer General Registrar Bob Charlton Newsletter Editor Cathy Crownshaw Regalia Tony Biebuyck Spare Parts Coordination Dave Crownshaw There may be further committee co-opted (non exec/committee) appointments i n due course. SPARE PARTS Dave Crownshaw has been passed a list of parts items now available or under re-manufacture. In addition 2 litre radiator caps for the 400- 403 are to be re-manufacture d. Steering Rack bellows type gaiters for 400 - 406 are under also currently c onsideration. Dave has finally decided to succumb and go on-line. I will let you know his address as soon as he makes it known. (Geoffrey Herdman will also be on-li "ne, soon. Address awaited.) " WEB SITE DEVELOPMENT The web site will mirror the news items only of the quarterly News Letter. The web site will include a list of club re-prints available once the new v ersion is made available. Events items will also include details of the regional events nominated by the Events Secy. It is hoped that the website will include a Spare parts list. Though it may be practically difficult to include current prices. New Membership List is being composed and will be isssued to all current me mbers I expect in May. That's all for now folks. Hope this helps "cheers, " Bob Bob Charlton la1.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id BAA29398 for Apr 1997 01:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bristol@argonet.co.uk (BOC General Registrar) " 101761.2475@compuserve.com, bristols@oakview.demon.co.uk, " " d.r.evans@tees.ac.uk, geomowat@vossnet.co.uk, johnemery@dial.pipex.com, " " michael@jbl.nwnet.co.uk, richard.spira@chjs.co.uk, " " rstaton@cix.compulink.co.uk, simon@angelacampbell.co.uk, " " tsm@cix.compulink.co.uk, 101513.2500@compuserve.com, " " bristolcar@aol.com, cpks@penop.com, lcook@fs2.scg.man.ac.uk, " " puffer@cix.compulink.co.uk, bsbrbank@pacbell.net, " " rampant_ranger@msn.com, mcgou@msn.com, irie@iprolink.co.nz, " " ian_poll@euronet.nl, hdknox@next.com.au, gsmytheman@deloitte.co.nz, " " caples.julian.jwe@bhp.com.au, bristolcar@aol.com, " " acoombes@hk.super.net, 105517.200@compuserve.com " "Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 09:36:11 " Subject: ++ NetLink Bulletin Apr97 addendum ++ "On Wed 16 Apr 97 (13:44:48), bristol@argonet.co.uk wrote: " > It is some time since I issued a bulletin but there has been a quite > lot happening about which some of you may have read. I have been > waiting for clarification of some items but here is what has been > revealed. > NEW COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS Chairman Geoffrey Herdman (Harry Wareham was made Hon.Vice President not Hon.Mem.as was previously attributed) > Hon.Secretary Geoffrey Hawkins (Brian Cuddigan was made Hon.Mem.) > Hon.Treasurer Mike Barton (Geoffrey Herdman retired from post) > REMAINING IN COMMITTEE POSTS > Hon.Mem.Secy. John Emery > Vice Chairman Dave Allen > APPOINTEE (non exec) > Bulletin Editor Christopher Smithies (Replacing Ray Cross) > n.b. Initially to be assisted by Mike Cross > ADDITIONAL (non exec) > Events Secy. Andrew Stevens > REMAINING (non exec) > Competition Secy. Alexa Scott-Plummer > General Registrar Bob Charlton > Newsletter Editor Cathy Crownshaw > Regalia Tony Biebuyck > Spare Parts Coordination Dave Crownshaw At this point I should have also included; FBHVC representative Richard Peacock Reprints Arnold Bettess With apologies to anyone else I missed out in the original note. "cheers, " Bob Bob Charlton Jun 1997 03:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bristol@argonet.co.uk (BOC General Registrar) " irie@iprolink.co.nz, ian_poll@euronet.nl, hdknox@next.com.au, " " gsmytheman@deloitte.co.nz, caples.julian.jwe@bhp.com.au, " " bristolcar@aol.com, acoombes@hk.super.net, 105517.200@compuserve.com " "Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 11:04:45 " Subject: BOC NetLink news Well here we are in the Classic Car season with members tripping off to "Norway to see the Fjords and Glaciers, and visit the Long Ships Museum as " well as breaking ground in the expansion of club activities for 1997. Here's hoping that there will be more of these extended trips and some in the UK too. As some of you may know from the circularised e-mail Claude M Lewenz is leaving the USA for pasture/pastures greener in New Zealand. From whence no doubt we will hear from him after his world tour en route. He also is leaving behind a well researched and contacted group of Bristol owners and Bristol engined car owners in the United States and Canada. Thankfully this potential void has been ameliorated by the offer of Peter "McGough of Calgary, Alberta, Canada to take on the post of North American " Registrar - for which thanks Peter. "You will now find contact details for Peter on the changed web site pages, " being /regions and /regrs. Look out for further exciting news from Peter in the very near future. A rare bird indeed has been found. My thanks have been expressed to Claude for all his efforts and hopefully one day there might even be further association of these members spread across that vast continent. Sadly we don't seem to hear much on the Arnolt front and I would be grateful if anyone can tell me if the Arnolt Registry is still alive and kicking in the USA. If it is not we may have to incorporate these cars into Peters' brief too. I have also taken the opportunity of trimming the /events page. Though I am advised by Andrew Stevens that there are a number of other events cropping up. For those of you overseas. You will be pleased to hear that Bulletin 112 dropped onto the mat this morning and you should receive yours shortly or ask why not. They are usually all mailed together. This latest edition is a collaboration between Mike Cross and Chris Smithies. As I understand it Chris will take full editorial control of the next edition. On the home front the Scottish Section had a good meeting at Mellerstain House in the Borders region on Sunday 1st.June. It was well attended and I was pleased to meet Rolf Knoory who had travelled from Cumbria to see the 400. We had six cars on the field which would have been eight if one member was not suffering from jet lag and the other car promised had turned up. I hope the cause of the latter was not a mechanical/electrical problem. Another welcome addition to the fold was Tim Norman with his excellent 404. A number of other persons not seen before were also made very welcome. We hope to see them and their cars at future Section meetings. "As aA0section. We have a new Scottish Secretary who is Keith M Bell, " Edinburgh and I am assured his contact details will appear in the next Membership List. Well that's all for now. Until the next time. "cheers, " Bob Bob Charlton From: bristol@argonet.co.uk (BOC General Registrar) " 101761.2475@compuserve.com, bristols@oakview.demon.co.uk, " " d.r.evans@tees.ac.uk, geomowat@vossnet.co.uk, johnemery@dial.pipex.com, " " michael@jbl.nwnet.co.uk, richard.spira@chjs.co.uk, " " rstaton@cix.compulink.co.uk, simon@angelacampbell.co.uk, " " tsm@cix.compulink.co.uk, keith_bell@pet.hw.ac.uk, " " alan.thomson@ed.ac.uk, jonb@netinfo.co.uk, skelton@mcmail.com, " " 101513.2500@compuserve.com, bristolcar@aol.com, cpks@penop.com, " " lcook@fs2.scg.man.ac.uk, puffer@cix.compulink.co.uk, mcgou@msn.com, " " 105517.200@compuserve.com, bsbrbank@pacbell.net, " " rampant_ranger@msn.com, irie@iprolink.co.nz, ian_poll@euronet.nl, " " gsmytheman@deloitte.co.nz, caples.julian.jwe@bhp.com.au, " " bristolcar@aol.com, acoombes@hk.super.net, hdknox@ozemail.com.au " "Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 01:24:20 " Subject: Club Net News #01 There have been a substantial number of changes in the Club Web site this m onth and the most obvious of these is the improvement in the graphics throu ghout the site. Still short of pictures of some car types on the gallery pa ges marked under construction. Can any of you supply pictures of the missin g or less well illustrated types? Perhaps a little less obvious is the fact that the page links have been str "eamlined and as a result are more practical in use, and pages faster to loa " d. "Hint... if you want real speed, leave images switched off until you find th " "e page you want, then switch images on. " The links to the REPRINTS page are in place and await information from the Reprints Officer. Have had no reports of the Meeting at the Birmingham and Midlands Museum of " Transport, can anyone help. Will it become an annual club event? if you we " re there...perhaps a report to the Bulletin? Send it to the editor. That item will shortly be deleted from the EVENTS page. I would however draw your attention to a quite spectacular event being host "ed by BRONZ, which if you don't know, (you really should read the site page " s) is the Bristol Register of New Zealand. It promises to be a leasurely point to point tour of the country with pre a "rranged overnight accommodation, led by the Bristol Cars and owners, though " others are apparently to be allowed to follow. The jaunt will take place i "n Spring 1998. It will last at least two weeks, possibly three. Contact det " ails are on the EVENTS page. By all accounts it will be quite fabulous. Those interested should let the organisers know before 1st September. This is a chance of a lifetime to see the treasures of the countryside with the benefit of local guides. "Lane Smytheman, the New Zealand Registrar, has been spreading the word on v " isits to a number of sections recently whilst enjoying a holiday trip to th e UK. "Brief accounts of the Norwegian expedition, also run on these lines, sugges " t that these jaunts are both enjoyable and informative. Trygve KrogsE6ter did such a good job organizing the event that there has been a call for it to be repeated perhaps in 1999. See NEWS page As many of you may not be aware the preparation for THE Bristol book contin ues and chosen cars are reported scheduled to be photographed during the ne xt couple of months. We are still trying to locate the Beutler drophead and the 406 Beutler can anyone help? No release date has been confirmed so be on the look out for launch adverts in the Classic Car press perhaps later i n the year. The BOC Concours in September takes place amidst a spectacular Historic Fly ing Display and those of you intending to attend would be well advised to a pply for your 20% discount tickets to gain fast track access on the day. Se "e last Newsletter, the next issue, and of course the EVENTS page. " The 400 gathering in Lanark turned out to be the only completely dry and ho t sunny day in the month June. So the sun does shine on the righteous! ;) The next Scottish Section event will be the Blackwood Murray Memorial run w hich takes place on Sunday 17 August at Biggar. Start time 1300hrs. This is the 99th.anniversary of the formation of his company. Next year it expected that over 500 vehicles will take part in the Rally. Who was David Blackwood Murray? What was his company? you may ask... Well in 1898 he founded and manufactured Albion vehicles starting from dogc "arts, to heavy cars by WW1 and finally commercial vehicles. " Thus he was established prior to the origins of the Bristol Aeroplane Compa ny by just 12? years... End of potted history. "For our part in 1998 I hope we will all be celebrating ""50 years of the 401 " """. " Guess that's all for now... hmm... except of course... if you spot any erro "rs (what are they?) in the website pages do let me know, so I can attempt t " o put them right. "cheers, Bob " Bob Charlton From: Bob Charlton "Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:36:27 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews #05 NetNews #05 Once again there have been some happenings worthy of note so I've put pen to one side and ply my one fingered style at the keyboard. First I was surprised as a few others have been to receive an envelope from our Chairman Geoffrey Herdman asking for my fees as Treasurer. Hmm...I thought Michael Barton was the Treasurer... but after a quick phone call it was explained to me by our Hon.Secy.Geoff (the other one) that it had been agreed; a) that there would be a year to let Michael get things organized and " b) at the end of it the Reins, Horse and Waggon would be fully " transferred. Just as well... ;) because I'd already posted Michael my cheque. So take this as a gentle reminder that membership Fees are now due : (the exception being those of you who have recently joined the fold new and were given discretionary passage from the tail end of last year unto December 31st. 1998). Oh! and of course our Honorary Members who I presume don't get this annual mailshot? A number of you are reading this epistle for the first time and if you do not wish to suffer my prose ever again an Email in reply will see you wiped off the list. But a warm welcome to the Club anyway to you all. ;) "Congratulations to you too David, Cathy and Nicholas Crownshaw. My " you have had a bumper Christmas this year by your account in the long awaited CLUB NEWSLETTER. Items worthy of the Next Newsletter ought to be sent to Cathy Crownshaw Newsletter Editor at; editor@bocnews.demon.co.uk it is "mis-spelt in the Newsletter but it was, it was explained typed at a " furious pace and we know why now. ;)) ### Now on to the main event ### I have beeen faxed the release notes of the 'Blenheim 2' by Geoff.Hawkins (good man that;-) It was unveiled to the Press and according to Tony Crook Information packs were sent out to 1400 "hundred locations, phew! someone else has been busy, and so I have " composed a new page / and altered pages for the club Web Site. Yes it's been just a little bit busy this past week-end as you'll see. The following new or altered pages to our Club Web Site are _NOW_ already on line! ; 1. The News page note about the Blenheim has been altered. It now " also contains a hot link to view the Bristol cars Ltd. Web Site, " which I have to commend. I have told Tony Crook so too! It is very nicely bound together. Pity about some of the spelling " mistakes, but I am none too perfect in that department, (nuff sed) " so I won't be casting any stones. :)) 2. The Gallery page now has a hot link to the all New 'Blenheim 2' page. 3. The 603 page references to the New Blenheim have been cleaned up and the guided tour links altered to incorporate the 'Blenheim 2' page. 4. The NEW Blenheim 2 page has been created from the data offered to " Geoff.Hawkins, and those others attending in the press pack, for " the 'Press Pack'... and I have managed (to borrow shall we say) " some images and descriptive change notes, which might be " recognizable. "I have lightened the images a little, and altered the speed of the " "animated gif sequence of what looks like a 603s3 Blenheim, or " BlenheimA01 car under construction. I think personally they are now better as now set at a 400centisecond interval in the display. But it really depends how your own set-up "displays them, and of course I am prejudiced but, " " ""You can't make a Silk Purse out of a Sows' Ear"". " I did ask Tony Crook if he would like a link to his Company site or "Company reference from the Blenheim 2 page, thinking of it in the " form of a 'quid pro quo' if only for the number of people he has "kindly steered towards the Bristol Owners Club, over the years, but " he clearly indicated that it was probably best not to have links with "the Company Name and Address from a multitude of places, as it might " lead to confusion in the minds of his prosective customers. He expressed his hope that the new Bristol book will set right many of the mistakes oft reiterated by the 'Press'. I hope that too. "Facts, facts and more facts would be wonderful indeed. " Graeme Browne has offered himself and his services as the Bulletin Editor and you can contact Graeme by Email at; graeme@semat.co.uk I know this is not the address given in the latest NEWSLETTER but I have checked and either will do. Our thanks go to Ray Cross's son Mike who stepped quickly 'into the "breech' and also to Chris Smithies, for tiding us over. " Chris's last 'Bulletin' should be in the post any day now. I know we have not had a many Bulletins this last year but it has not been without its difficulties. Graeme holds out the prospect of his first edition ca.March and before the AGM so we'll all have give him what support we can. If any of you have any interesting things to tell or pictures to supply... please send them to ; "Graeme Browne, BOC Bulletin Editor, " either by Email to the address already given or by Snail Mail to ; "89, Lakeside Road, Palmers Green, LONDON, N13 4PS. " or call on Name and address data are also on page 1 of the current Membership "List, because Graeme is also the Type 401 Registrar " In the meantime enjoy what is one of the best looking V8's ever IMHO. At the URL: http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ "or if you like at another source, " http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/ A revised chassis listing of Type 401 cars will be available shortly and as promised in this the 52nd year of Bristol Cars production and the 50th. anniversary of the introduction of the Type 401. I have no other salient items to impart so I'll close. 'bout time too did I hear you say? "cheers, " Bob Bob Charlton From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:36:31 +0100 " Subject: Net News #07 Welcome yet again to more new club members and I hope you all find this of interest. ROAD TEST "It seems that 'Top Gear' Magazine, issue 59, August, price 3 UK Pounds " has a road test and pictures of a new Blenheim 2. No prizes for guessing its registration but as some of you I know like "to collect these articles I thought you'd like to know, and I thank " Geoff Hawkins for passing this on. WEB PAGES I haven't much to report on the web pages this time but am expecting data from Arnold about the Chassis List reprints. In the meantime I'm trying to update all the changes in the Chassis list records from the 1998 Membership Book. It takes time.. I am still collecting "photographs for the Gallery, and if you can manage it don't forget " Silverstone where the Club marquee will be offering a fine collection of cars to view. What I have done most recently is to add the details of the 1st Annual """Jewel of India Classic Rally"" which is to take place very early next " year. Just the ticket if you want to get away from our winter weather for a month. there is a link to the rally information pages and I have included a sketch itinerary. I can also report that the lag between posting to Utah University via Cornell University and the pages appearing has been substantially reduced and there have been a number of cosmetic changes and a link sorted that was pointed out to me not functioning correctly. For that info thanks it all helps. The changes are reflected on the shadow web site. 400 to BLENHEIM The remaining original stock of '400 to Blenheim' has been recovered from the depths of John Emery's warehouse - where they were carefully "placed for safekeeping to instruction by the Storeman, who then was " removed from this mortal coil and it has taken much effort to retrieve them and to pass them on to Arnold Bettess our club Reprint Officer. Arnold in turn has told me that the remaining stock will be sold at 10 UK Pounds per copy + 2.50 UK Pounds postage to all EEC addresses. Non EEC it is air mail rates as applicable. If you want an 'original' copy contact Arnold per your Membership List inside front cover. If you haven't received one you should have. "So ask they were delivered about two? weeks ago, maybe a bit longer " since? Remember Gold foil embossed 4 post Binders are available from the Regalia Officer. Can't remember if that is on the Shadow website Regalia page. ...It ought to be. Contact me or any Club officer and they will give you Arnold's address and Telephone Number. Arnold is now on E-mail but he is still learning the keys to press and has asked not to be put onto Internet contact until he has read the Instruction Manual. ;) NEW CHASSIS LISTS There are updates of 400 Chassis List and 401 Chassis List both are missing from the shadow website... but again if you want to bring your copy of 400 to Blenheim up to date contact Arnold. BULLETIN The good news is that Graeme Browne our Magazine Editor is pasting his first 'Bulletin' together and we should have it through the post shortly I am told. BRISTOL by SETRIGHT by PALAWAN News of the Bristol book from Palawan Press is that it is expected to be out before Christmas - hmm... seems that was what I was told last year - but I'm assured it really is right this time. It is larger than originally intended and sorry no hints on price but it will be expensive. So keep saving. Well that's all for now. Until the next time adieu... Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA12871 for ; "Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) " From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:40:21 +0100 " Subject: Sept Classic Cars Just a note to let those of you who have access to it but who perhaps do not subscribe on a regular basis that the 'September' edition of Classic Cars(aka Thoroughbred and Classic Cars abroad?) in the UK shops now has in it a 'Profile' of one TAD CROOK written by Leonard Setright. p.104-108 incl. A byline about the new Palawan Press book on Bristol by Setright. Pictures of the Bristol 401 on the Louis Vuitton Classic China Run May25-30 one of only Fifty cars which took part. p.16 "Bristol 411 and why I own one by Andrew MJ Blow, p.65 " "cheers, " Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA12717 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:02:49 -0700 (PDT) " From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:59:01 +0100 " Subject: #NetNews08 Welcome yet again to more new club members and our first in new member located China (Oh! well OK then...since the HK territories were handed back) I hope you all find this of interest. UP to date MAGAZINE COVERAGE "Once again 'Classic Cars' magazine November Issue in the shops now, " has an article about a Bristol car. This time its the turn of the Type 400 chassied Farina almost completely restored by Spencer Lane-Jones pages 86-92 include some good pictures. IN ARREARS Last Months (October edition) of Classic Cars p88-99 Group test includes Bristol 409 Last Months (October edition) of Classic & Sportscar p.151 story of a FNLMR WHAT's UP? Its been a time of sorting out the 'Wheat from the Chaff' recently and "nothing to do with Harvest Festival, just time for sorting the " records ready for the next years influx of new subscriptions. "Hopefully hitherto unrecorded cars, and replotting the changes of " "Registration Marks, and those which have just fallen by the wayside. " BRISTOL BOOK LAUNCH The big item of news this time is that at last the Bristol Book is ready. We'll have an advert and details on the Shadow web site real soon now. So with luck some of you will get a nice Christmas present and the rest of us will simply _have to_ break the Pig. PIPEX V90 PROTOCOL BOMBS OUT FTP TO UTAH aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!! Its been a taxing time since the last NetNews... I suppose I knew it was tempting fate saying all was well! Mainly because Pipex have made "a /dogs breakfast/ of upgrading to V90 protocol, and in the process " killed the FTP facility to the Utah Web Site. All ISPs on the Pipex network have all been complaining - but it seems their Chairman is more interested in building another New Town! near Cambridge... and naturally that takes priority over a small thing like keeping the system going! or should I say _NOT_ going! Apparently what happens is that the new 'handshaking routines' are instigated at irregular periods during transmissions between modems in order to verify the validity of the traffic and in doing so upset the FTP links... either switching them off or breaking the link itself. Clever stuff and quite amazing noone seems to have thought of it before hand. So for the moment all updates are on the 'Shadow web site' and 'Utah' is annexed. I have been promised beta software to get round this problem but its not arrived yet. Sorry for you our friends on the Pacific rim I know the Utah Server suited you better... but as I "have said, its out of our hands and over to Pipex. Indeed just as " well we made provision for these sort of circumstances in plenty of time by developing a second resource site and private club pages on the ArgoNet Server (shadow) site. 1998 Concours at CALKE ABBEY The concours was reasonably well attended but notice was relatively short and that was reflected in the turnout down I'd guess some 15-20%. Those who managed were able to view a Blenheim 2 brought along by "Tony Crook and Toby Silverton, and it was reported 'ecstatic' that it " is selling better than hoped - indeed the factory are being stretched to keep up with the orders. Good news in these precarious times. The venue 'Calke Abbey' itself raised little comment which suggests it was a really good choice. Hopefully next year plans will be laid and detailed earlier. WHAT NEXT The next open club event will be the Chairman's Dinner which has been advertised as you know or you should on the events page at both web sites for some time now. LOOKING AFTER THE CAR 'Little EVA' (my 400 in case you didn't know) has passed her MoT test last week... and will shortly be retiring to her 'Carcoon' for the next 4 months. Perhaps as a warning we had our first hard frost last night. This plastic bubble vented by a couple of tiny computer type fans one blowing and one sucking - both fitted with large foam filters (to keep the dust and bugs out) was purchased from the Midlands factory (ex/america) and has been an excellent aid to preservation. "It has reduced, indeed eliminated condensation, and the brightwork is " "as good when the car comes out in the Spring, as it was when it was " polished prior to storage at the beginning of November. Not even any dust settlement thanks to the moving air and the efficient little filters. I can thoroughly recommend the use of the article if any of you have pondered the idea. It really does work. As a guide the '400' fits a size 4 with a few inches to spare at each end. The only extra job is to lower the aerial to the roof to avoid bending it or puncturing the plastic. I'm afraid we get far too much Rock Salt spread on our roads in Scotland to justify the risk of running the old car right through the Winter months. NEWSLETTER EDITORIAL CHANGES Cathy Crownshaw's plea for a Newsletter Editor was met by Adrian Berry also appointed to the new post of Club Archivist - and so all future Newsletter items to Adrian please at alberry@csi.com or the address in your membership list for 1998. "Thanks for all your hard word Cathy, you and David were such bricks " keeping the Newsletter churning out with such regularity when the Bulletin was busy undergoing such a tempestuous transmutation after Ray Cross had to let slip the reins. His shoes have proven exceeding hard to fill. >From my own standpoint I think Graeme Browne's first issue was splendid and he needs all the support we can provide to maintain the level quality and the variety of articles. BOC goes DIGITAL and in Karma too! ;) I got a phone call a few weeks back demanding 'could I please locate a Bristol 401 for use in a film with Michael Palin' the event was planned for less than seven days later mid-week on either the tuesday or the Wednesday! I can assure those of you not involved with the media that this is _quite typical._ After a hectic session of consultation of the records Keith Mainland's car was one of 4 which qualified being " a) within reasonable distance of the area of the shooting, " b) of the correct type and c) declared on the club records as being in running order. The fact that it was not the requested colour - I told the researcher was most unfortunate - but that they clearly had little idea how "difficult it is the fit all of the parameters, especially when such " cars are so rare. The colour mismatch was accepted. "So I contacted Keith, whom I'd never met, and was greatly relieved " when he said he would like to try 'treading the boards' for a day. So he and his car are now being edited into an advert for one of the new Digital TV Cable Channels. Keith is driving in the long shots and Michael Palin in the close ups. Some of you in the UK may recall already having seen Michael Palin in these adverts the Bristol one is an episode in a complete series. I have asked Keith to compose an article for the Bulletin so whilst his name may not be up in lights it will at least be on the page. I won't spoil this by saying any more and leave Keith's prose and pictures to enthral you. Where the Karma comes in is that Keith's parents it transpires live only a few miles from me and he was to visit them very shortly "afterward, so we met when he rang the doorbell and then we discussed " "our cars, albeit too briefly, just one week later! Isn't life " strange? and the world so small! Another note will be issued when details of the NEW Bristol book are available and I expect a new page on the web site too I'll let you know. "cheers, Bob " Cc: Geoff Hawkins FIO Committee Members not on E-mail facility PS. Pleased to report Site Visit Counter shows over 8000 visits since "counter installed, making a rough estimate of over 8500 visits since " the Web Site was originally launched on the University of Utah Server... :)) Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ "Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:05:18 -0800 (PST) " From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:51:00 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews #08A NetNews #Special Offer to BOC Members Those of you in the UK will have by now received or very shortly will receive your introductory offer to enable you to obtain the New Bristol Book - Commissioned as a Limited edition set of two volumes and printed by Palawan Press. It is named; " A PRIVATE CAR An Account Of The BRISTOL " "There are in fact Two Volumes in the production, measuring 290mm x " 333mm each; There is a total production of 1000 copies. "Forty cars are illustrated in full colour, other illustrations " "include early photographs of Bristol trams, aircraft, and other " "products, of people associated with the company, even of the 1940 " Blitz. Volume 2 Comprises chapters as described below; " Proemium " "1. OVERVIEW " " The full story abridged " "2. CREDENTIALS " " Bristol History to 1945 " "3. OPPORTUNITIES " " The need for diversification: Rockets, Prefabs, GRP, BMW, AFN " "4. REALISATION " " 400 " "5. DEFINITION " " 401 / 2 / 3 " "6. RACING RATIONALE " " AFN, Cooper, AC, others, including ERA, engine development, 450 " "7. SHORT CHASSIS " " 404, Arnolt " "8. END OF THE BEGINNING " " 405 " "9. BEGINNING OF THE END " " Prototype Engines and chassis, Rationalisation of aero industry, " 406 (including S and Zagato) "10. BENT EIGHTS " " (i) Chrysler, 407, 408/ 9/ 10 (ii) 411, 412 " "11. 360 CUBIC INCHES " " 603, Turbocharging, Beaufighter (412s3), Brigand (& Britannia), " Blenheim "12. PEOPLE " " Whites, Smiths, Storey, Sevier, Crook, Dennis " "13. THE FUTURE " " luxury, performance, survival " STANDARD VERSION : presented bound in 94Buckram Cloth95 form with a protective full colour Buckram 94Slip case95 SPECIAL VERSION : presented bound in 94Quinel Nubuck Leather95 form with a 94drop back box95 This version also offers a photo of your choice from the Gallery provided. "EDITION PRICE Delivery UK Delivery EEC outside EEC " " " "Standard vers.300 UKP (included) add 20 UKP add 50 UKP " "Numbered 001-399, " Numbered 499-602 and Numbered 604-1000 "Special vers.600 UKP Add 10 UKP add 30 UKP contact publisher " "Numbered 400-498, " and Number 603 An introductory offer to club members is NOW open BUT only _for orders placed_ and monies received _prior to 31 November 1998_ "EDITION*Club Price Delivery UK Delivery EEC outside EEC " "Standard vers.240 UKP (included) add 20 UKP add 50 UKP " numbers as stated above. "Special version (Nubuck) 535 pounds Add 10 pounds add 30 " pounds contact publisher Numbers as stated above* *except that Numbers 400 to 412 inclusive and Number 603 are _EXCLUDED_ from the special offer to club members. If you are reading this and _YOU ARE NOT already a current club member - you may well now consider it worthwhile joining the BOC immediately. In the circumstances we are allowing a special dispensation just this year. Join now paying the Full Annual Fee and your Membership will cover the year _1999 in full_. Fees inside EEC are 30 UK pounds or equivalent via methods below. Fees outside EEC are 35 UK pounds or equivalent via methods below. In doing this you will thus qualify for the discounted club offer. This would save you a minimum of; in UK 30 UKP EEC 30 UKP outwith EEC minimum 30 UKP Should you wish to obtain one of the AVAILABLE Quinel Nubuck leather bound editions (N.B.Some are withheld from the club offer as described earlier) of course you will still be able to save proportionately MUCH more. I wish I could include illustrations (sorry not practical) but naturally some of you will in any case _as existing_ club members receive details shortly from Palawan Press. It should be noted that Palawan Press already have a list of current club members qualifying. _NEVERTHELESS_ this offer _ALSO_ applies to _NEW MEMBERS_ "who _join NOW_ before the offer deadline, and subject to receipt of " "payment to both the Club CURRENCY or CHEQUE DRAWN ON UK BANK, and " likewise appropriate payment to the Publisher which may be made by Credit Card or Currency or Cheque Drawn on UK bank. These persons will receive an authenticated club number from the Membership Secretary to quote IN ORDER to qualify for the CLUB DISCOUNTED RATES. THE CHOICE IS NOW YOURS! "I hope this is of interest, " For those of you with WWW access Full contact details for BRISTOL OWNER'S CLUB Membership Secretary and a membership form are on the Club Web site address as below in signature. If you have received a FAX of this document it is assumed you do not have Email or WWW access notified so you can contact BOC Membership Secretary John Emery at ; "VESUTOR Ltd., " "Marringdean Road, Billingshurst, West Sussex, RH14 9EH. England " Telephone : +44 (0) 1403 784028 or should you have Email access only "E-mail your enquiries to: johnemery@dial.pipex.com"" " Please note that some methods of payment attract _very high_ Bank charges in the conversion. These can be avoided by paying in one of the four following ways: 1: Eurocheque with Cheque Card No. on the back. 2: Sterling Draft drawn on a London Bank. 3: Sterling Travellers' Cheque. 4: Cash. All Major Currencies (except Japanese Yen) are suitable. Contact details for Palawan Press are as follows ; "PALAWAN PRESS Ltd., " "11, Royal Crescent Mews, LONDON, W11 4SY., England " Telephone : +44 (0) 171 371 3060 Facsimile : +44 (0) 171 371 4080 Email : publish@palawanpress.demon.co.uk "hope this helps, " Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA10029 for From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:32:00 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews Report Dudley Hobbs It is with regret that I have to tell you that Dudley Hobbs Chief Designer at Bristol Cars for many years has died. His family have expressed the wish that some Bristol cars would be in "attendance at the Funeral to be held at Horfield Parish Church, " Bristol on 25th November at 12 noon. "If any owners wish to attend the service with their cars, as a " tribute and send off - it has been intimated that it would be very much appreciated by the family. "I understand that a book is currently being written by Dudley's Son, " (also a designer working with British Aerospace) covering his "father's lifetime achievements, and of course the development of the " Bristol Car is also covered in the latest Palawan Press production. Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA24519 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:59:26 -0800 (PST) " From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:47:17 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews#09 First a warm welcome to those of you who are new readers. If you need to - please set your long lines wrap now or your text may well vanish off the right hand side of the screen (if you use certain PC packages). I have a number of important new items to bring to your attention but in the interests of accuracy I'm waiting for some confirmations. Thus this is a note to update you on a couple of interesting points and advise of Bristol coverage in current magazines. DUDLEY HOBBS Thank you to those who responded to the very late request to attend the funeral of Dudley Hobbs in their Bristol cars. I believe a tribute written by the Chairman will appear in the Bulletin. The Hobbs family were very pleased their request had an appropriate response and were particularly glad that one of the vehicles was a 603. For it was apparently Dudley Hobb's favourite design. The family expressed their thanks to those attending and to the BOC. CAUSING CONFUSION WHILST SELLING BRISTOL CARS Yes that's the BRISTOL OWNER'S CLUB! It has been drawn to my attention that the BOC Website has been frequented by a number of customers to Bristol Cars who have mistakenly thought they were actually visiting the official http://www.bristolcars.co.uk site. I confess I'd never thought that likely given the number of club references there are on the site. However... As a result Mr Crook telephoned and asked me to change all badges bearing only the word 'BRISTOL' that they ought to display the words 'OWNERS CLUB' too. I was pleased to do this :-) as at long last it offered me a cast iron reason to persuade the Webmaster at WWW.TEAM.NET that our original design was more valid. He having originally requested that the words OWNERS CLUB be removed from the badge to bring it in line with all the other car marques represented by club pages on /www.team.net/:-\ It was also requested that a public disclaimer statement be placed on the index(Home Page) to the effect /that the site had no connection whatever to do with Bristol Cars Ltd. /:-\ I wasn't prepared to acquiesce to the latter - because there is more than adequate reference to it being a 'club site' representing primarily one marque - amongst all of the other 'club sites' located on the 'www.team.net' space. Words to that effect also appear in the HTML construction script of every page - plus an attribution appears in the title bar displayed _on some_ machines along with the page name... This may not show directly on all of your various web browser displays or printouts. If you normally see a page title and name in the frame surround I'd be pleased if you could let me know... it may be peculiar to the "'perhaps alien to you' Risc Operating System I use, at the " moment I confess I really don't know the actual spread. "However... in my letter of response to Mr Crook, as well as " confirming the technical changes required had been dispatched for "insertion or replacement as needed, and conveying the thought that " the Club Members would be pleased to know that they had been helping to boost the fortunes of both himself and his company via our more public website. "I said that I would not insert any reference to Bristol cars website, " nor a disclaimer paragraph. I did state that a link to Bristol Cars website would remain in a more suitable place. (Where it always has been). I wonder how many of you found it? If you have not it's on the News page in the Blenheim 2 announcement report. To get into the "bristolcars site, you have had to 'select click' on the 603 badge on " the front page to get the second page and index loaded. CLASSIC CARS Once again this months Classic and SportsCar Magazine Jan. edtn. Volume 17 No.10 p.112 contains a Bristol story... it has seen fit to do a trial comparison of two stately carriages pitching a mere RR Silver Shadow against Gerry Acher's Type 411s4. The report as usual covers a few pages and I think it is fair to say that from the driving point of view the 411s4 was the preferred vehicle. A good read anyway. Guess which won the writers vote...;) There is another handy snippet in the Problems Solved pages. REPRODUCTION Tax Discs ---------------------- The firm who can give you a reproduction of your original pattern Tax Disc for the Month and Year in which it was first road registered. "Properly filled with registration number and vehicle details, can " take its place in your car window alongside the statutory one(in UK)... At least whilst you have the car at a rally or off road event. Sensible not to irk PC.49 if you are stopped bearing the two on the "public highway. See Earlswood Reproductions, contact at Tel.+44 (0) " 1252 838852 Earlswood can supply discs for any year from 1921 to 1974 UKP 14.95p plus 50pence post and packing(UK). ORIGINAL and UNISSUED Tax Discs ------------------------------- If however you want a genuine original tax disc from the right period contact Mike Smith on +44 (0) 1296 651283 - he has a huge stock! I guess then fill in your own details. No price stated. BRISTOL BOOK A number of readers have taken up the offer made by Simon Draper of a substantial discount to the price of the Bristol two volume set on the marque with text written by Leonard Setright. These were promised would be delivered on or after 16 December 1998. I hope that the production will in due course be reviewed in our Club Bulletin as well as in the mainstream Motoring magazines... and that "it just might might steer more aspiring, or existing owners towards " the club too. OTHER MAGAZINES """Tirage Limite"" a high classA0Magazine produced in Holland for " mainland Western Europe consumption will be featuring Bristol (the car) in its next edition ...to assist in this I have provided links to make suitable local contacts. Teb Marius is assisting. This is but the the most recent of a number of specialist "publications to feature the marque. The last reported was ""the " "Subcontractor"" in Sweden, following excellent historical coverage in " """european cars"" publ. in California written by Matt Stone and one of " his associate's impressions of the 407 Zagato of Anatoly Arutunoff. Other specialised coverage of the marque has been given in magazines circulated in Japan and Brazil --+-O-+-- More news very soon....? In the meantime can I also take this opportunity of wishing you all - A 'Merry Christmas' and a very 'Happy Hogmanay' "...until the next time good health, " "Beatha agus Slainte, Cyfarchion y Timor, Felices Fiestas, Meilleurs " "Voeux, and of course it is - Seasons Greetings ;)) " Bob Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ Shadow Site : http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/charlton/www/bristol/ Club Services : http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/charlton/www/bristol/service.html From: BOC General Registrar "Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:36:49 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews#10 no... not on the move - we've moved! "I have a number of important new items to bring to your attention, " and much quicker than I thought it would be when I wrote the last letter. WEB ACCESS As you know there have been a number of problems for me gaining access to the USA site principally engendered by PIPEX the backbone supplier to my ISP ARGONET. Both are extending their networks and suitable transitional software has proved of little use in keeping the lines open long enough to transmit large items to the team.net webmaster in NY for onward transmission to Utah. Now at last we have V.90 access available and I quote; V.90 now operational -------------------- ArgoNet has completed the implementation of our expanded range of "services which now include ISDN (64K), 56K X2, K56flex and the new " V.90 standard. To take full advantage of the 56K and ISDN services the correct dial-up telephone number must be used. [snip] Even faster Web server ---------------------- The migration of our hosted Web sites to our new London-based server is progressing and all the users should be moved in the next few "months. Sitting directly on the Internet backbone, ArgoNet's Sun " Ultra2 server will help us to continue providing a high speed service "(ArgoNet came second, ahead of Demon and UUnet, in the recent " 'Internet.Works' server download tests). ....erm yes! and however they achieved that did not help me at all! But it does raise some other 'spin off' interests voiced by some of you. The prospect of a suitable _Domain_ for the club resources and such "things as adverts and an active mailing list, where problems and " answers could be more widely raised and discussed. As the next step a suitable DOMAIN name has now been secured and "registered, it is ""boc.net"" without the quotes of course.... " Fortunately the committee had this matter raised by our Hon.Treasurer "Michael Barton, some many Moons - OK well lunar months ago - when " everything including me - was fresher and greener in this scenario. So when the chance of a special offer was made to us for Christmas I snapped it up and thus on Argonet - now host of the primary website location of the website has its URL address changed to ; http://www.boc.net/bristol/ PLEASE DO NOTE: --------------- Text case _is_ critical in URL's... _so not_ BOC.NET Addresses are not quite so finicky about such things it depends on the server software usually... I think you'd agree that is much better internationally than ; http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/charlton/www/bristol and it cannot now be legally duplicated either its exclusive as long as the BRISTOL OWNER'S CLUB wants it... The UTAH website I've been told is better suited to those operating on the Pacific side of the globe so that will continue to mirror the ARGONET site without the extra club membersA0sections contained alongside in 'the shadow' so to speak of the website. Sadly its not possible to duplicate that part of the facility at Utah - the site is too exposed. For the newer readers amongst you... you will find an ANNEX on the "Argo site of many items such as Regalia and Prices, Special rate " services of Insurance and RAC membership. As well as the complete guide to the Club's extensive Reprint service now offered in A4 or A5 in monochrome or colour as applicable to very high standard. Now set your browser to address ; http://www.boc.net/bristol/service.html Remember there is no physical link to this annex from the main web site pages though there is from the annex to the open website. once you've made the changes to your Hotlist or Browser Address Book that should be it for a while now... The most recent addition I'd like to bring to your attention is the "inclusion of the ""Chassis Lists Guide"" and the latest available " printouts - as separate sections - ready punched to fit your copy of 400 to Blenheim. Note the date of revision column. I asked Arnold Bettess for his comments and he expressed the desire to replicate the site displays as a coloured brochure so that may also be made available to those without WWW access. Strange how these things can work in tandem... Expect to be able to send Arnold the latest 402 and 403 Chassis Lists updates very soon now. Probably after the latest batch of Membership renewals are delivered in January. I'll let you know. So something else to look forward to in the New Year along with your Membership Renewals. >;_< As usual John Skelton over in Dalgetty Bay has run the PC tests to see the new pages and links display on his PC machine so you find it all works from the Service Page Gateway. Thanks again John. ;-) Unsung hero you see ;)) If you want copies of chassis lists please quote your Membership Number with your order. That way we can ensure that those paying the "fees get the benefits and not just any 'Tom, Dick, or Harry' who " breaks in uninvited from outwith the club. With instant apologies to "the valid Tom, Dick and Harry in the Club ;)) " PROVIDING MORE DIRECT CONTACT There will be a possibility of creating specific relay addresses for all club officers from the new domain so that if you use this routing the messages will travel direct or be bounced to the persons concerned. I have asked for some further instruction on this matter. NEWSGROUP ACCESS Will involve questions being mailed to the group via the domain and then rebroadcast into the group mailing list. A trial will be run first to iron out any unforeseen snags. ------- It will probably involve you mailing to the group name address with the wording something like SIGNON maillist NAME-L in the subject space and signing your preferred destination address. To Leave -------- SIGNOFF would be in a similar fashion. I'll advise as and when. CHANGES OF YOUR OWN ADDRESSES Whilst on this subject a number of subscribers have not remembered to notify changes of their email addresses when moving to a new service provider. 'resolution for 1999' ? Please try to remember to advise me of your newer [preferred email address] otherwise you and the club web side will lose contact. If I broadcast a message and it is returned unopened twice - now - I remove that address from the mailing list. Nine at the last summation. Wasted traffic - is wasted money. ....and have a 'guid New Year' too. Bob Bob Charlton - General Registrar - Bristol Owners Club Club website : http://www.team.net/www/bristol/ From: Postmaster "Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:49:19 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: BOC NetNews #11 addendum "In article <48ca992c96Postmaster@argonet.co.uk>, " Postmaster wrote: > BocNetNews #11 [... a minor correction] > a BMW 327 for restoration Andrew has advised the BMW 327 will not feature in the sale items. [... greater amplification given] > Some of you may have been at the Press and Public Launch of the new > Bristol Book it was I am told well attended and our Hon.Secy. was > presented with his copy of the book/books. Geoff. points out that his book was in fact pre-paid and he felt the impression might have been given that it was free. _Not the case._ It was requested of him - would he allow Simon to have it presented at the book launch. He readily acceded to that request. In fact Leonard Setright was asked to present Geoff's volumes to him "and was also pleased to also append his signature to the ""The WORD"". " [... a minor correction?:-] > Tony Crook who was clearly surprized at the generosity of the gift. Tony Crook was presented with a _FREE_ copy of the Special Edition again... "> cheers, Bob " > Postmaster at B O C Net still... Postmaster@boc.net From: Postmaster "Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:13:33 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: BOC NetNews #11 BocNetNews #11 -------------- This item was first brought to my attention by Andrew Blow Thus... Please be aware of a special event that David Jones and I are organizing as a result of the wishes of his family... a 'Bring and Buy Car Boot type sale' or 'Bristol Bits 'n' Pieces Day' arranged to be held ; "Saturday 17th April at Meales Farm, Sulhamstead, Nr.Reading, England " "There are many parts - and these include a number of ""barn fresh"" " "cars for restoration, a large quantity of spares and _even_ a " "stripped 400 chassis, all from the David Jones ""hoard"", plus, we " "hope, lots of spares and cars from everyone else. " These are to be sold through Andrew Blow Brokerage and all enquiries about same and or pitches for the day should be directed to Andrew at his email address: Puffer@cix.com "Small charge for a car pitch (30 UK Pounds), or a spares table. Lots " of space and maybe even some refreshments. More details to come "later, but book your diary NOW and tell all your friends. " This is a most unusual event in BOC circles and an opportunity to source the odd part perhaps something you have been seeking for a while. The last such occasion I can recall was when Tony Mitchell was reducing his large and varied stock of spares and secondhand but usable rare components. I had doubts about including this originally but since enquiries can be directed at Andrew not me (for _I must emphasise_ that I know no detail of the extent of contents of this particular collection) why not? Stefan Cembrowicz has taken some pictures and I will be happy to place them on view in a page on the Club Only area of the boc.net website. I'll let you know when and if. He states and I quote : """There is one 400, ripe for restoration, most mech parts for another " including a restored chassis (I've never ever even seen a Bristol "chassis before!) and a useful looking, running 408. Plus a shedful of " "sundry bits and pieces, a BMW 327 for restoration, a small Alvis, as " well as various more modern cars. David may produce a catalogue with "more details, and wishes to encourage other would be sellers of " Bristol bits to come and sell their own stuff. Could be a new sort of Bristol event... as we're usually not able to flog old bits off at the Concours! Andrew Blow is brokering some of the other vehicles for sale and will be involved.. Thought I'd let "you know ASAP so that you can mention it on the website or whatever."" " Thanks for that Stefan. I hope this suits... So there you have it? If any of you have similar items you would wish "so broadcast please let me, Adrian Berry - Newsletter Editor or " Graeme Browne - Bulletin Editor as appropriate know. Some of you may have been at the Press and Public Launch of the new Bristol Book it was I am told well attended and our Hon.Secy. was presented with his copy of the book/books. So too was Tony Crook who was clearly surprized at the generosity of the gift. I expect the book will be reviewed by the magazines of which there were a few key representatives in attendance. It is also my understanding that the Daily Telegraph motoring edition on Saturdays normally will also cover the event with illustrations provided by Geoff. Hawkins. On the WWW a number of changed links to various locations have now established and in addition meaningfull discussion has developed to remove in its entirety the Utah Univeristy located website substituting but a few key links to our now permanent home http://www.boc.net/bristol/ The Sol Links likewise on the Euro Sol website I hope will also be altered to point to our domain. Argonet who host our Domain have since we registered the address doubled our webspace to 20 megabytes a nice Christmas present. "This opens the door to a more direct interchange of views and ideas, " questions and advice between all Bristol owners and / or enthusiasts from our afilliates singly or via their clubs across the world. I still have to finalise the method by which this will be operated so it will be a little while yet. Once the other moves and building blocks are in place it will take top prority. At the moment I'm trying to finalise the updated 402 and 403 Chassis "lists, and of course it being the middle of Membership renewals " there are always alterations appearing during January/February. Now something a little further afield and yet still on some of our doorsteps...It arrived 'out of the net' and was quite a pleasant surprise. "Congratulations on a fantastic Web Site, it was only by chance that I " "came across it, but it really is superb, congratulations on whoever " put it together and updates it. "We can now update you on some things ""Bristolwise"" happening over " this side of the pond. "Bristol Heritage Collection was started last year here in Nashville, " "Tennessee, to preserve as many aircraft, engines and cars that were " made by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. It is a Tax Exempt-Non Profit "organisation with three Trustees, myself, together with Robert C. " "Mikesh, former head of The National Air and Space Museum, Washington, " "and John Gaertner, Curator of the EAA Museum at Oshkosh. " A strange place to put such a collection one might say. [Too right! "Wonder if Sir George has heard of them? ] Well not really, my home is " "Bristol, England, my late Father W.K.Kilsby had one of the largest " "collections of aircraft photographs in Britain, that upon his death " were willed to historian A.J.Jacksons Collection where they remain the most complete photographic history/record of British Civil Aviation in Europe. I started The Bristol Aero Collection in England some twelve years "ago, sadly, [this bit snipped to avoid legal repercussions....] " nothing to what it should have been. We have a number of Bristol aircraft on rebuild to airworthy status at our 5000sq ft restoration workshop here in Nashville. Three "Bristol Blenheims/Bolingbrokes, one being restored to a Mk1V status, " and another being restored as a Mk1 We also have the only Bristol Beaufort in North America under "restoration to airworthy, it was dragged in from the Philipines some " "twenty years ago, remained in California until recently where I got " it from the David Tallichet Collection. We also have a number of aircraft coming in for restoration that had "Bristol engines, those being a Westland Lysander, a Fairey Swordfish, " and two Folland Gnats. We also have a number of aircraf that are not "Bristol related, those being a Mk1 Avro Anson, and an Airspeed " "Oxford, also a Percival Pembroke that is airworthy that we use as " "'The Hack', we also have a resident Chief Engineer on staff that we " stole from Duxford. Together with about a dozen Bristol engines from the Hercules XV to the Mercury XV. So that's us guys. We are very educational in as much that we open the restoration facilty up to schools etc for students to see just how aircraft and engines are restored Our quest for Bristols have been mainly to do with aircraft and "engines, however, as I said, we are looking very seriously for " "Bristol Cars to include ( and restore) in The Collection, so any help " with Bristol Cars in North America would be very much appreciated. "Thanks again for a great WEB Site, and I look forward to hearing from " yourself and other members of what seems to be a great Bristol Car Club. "Sincerely, " "Graham Kilsby, Bristol Heritage Collection, P.O.Box 2108676 " "Nashville, Tennessee 37221. U.S.A. " Ph: (615) 646-2473 I have replied and advised that we will be delighted to welcome any of their company into our club. Who knows perhaps our American members might even arrage to pay a visit. We applaud the aim to preserve some cars but it will be even better if they are made to run regularly up and down the runways hopefully not emulating Tony Crook with his explosive tyre test...?;-) So if any of you are passing Nashville Tenn. USA.. Perhaps you might like to make yourselves known and be treated to a friendly welcome and a private tour...? Perhaps too there might here be a full time home for that remaining Bristol freighter currently up there in the Klondyke? Who knows! Finally for those of you who have not yet received it 'Bulletin 115' is on its way to you now as you read. Details of the 'AGM venue' and 'terms' will be on the Events page in a final state hopefully later tonight. If the page is not dated as at least the 27th it is not the final draft... Thanks to Geoff.Hawkins again. "Happy New Year to you all, " "cheers, Bob " Postmaster at B O C Net Postmaster@boc.net "Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:50:09 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: NetNews #12 and Rogue transmission explanation Oops!!!! Some of you may have received a strange email earlier today from my Postmaster@boc.net mailbox address. ">%-@ Profuse grovel, grovel, mutter, mutter, '#!!%$ computers! " It appears that during construction of a Club or inter club communications area - the program output used the NetNews Mailing List instead of a test address loop which should have been localised. It is in fact the first stage of setting up what is initially called Bristol Owners Club Forum which is addressed as BOCForum-L. This is the promised talkback area where anyone can raise anything at "all to do with Bristol Cars, Bristol Engines or substitutes, any " "matters technical or aesthetical. If you get stuck during a recon., " or rebuild it will allow you to tap into the vast pool of expertise available from any Bristol Club or Owner or member of an affiliate "club, be it Aviation minded or based on terra firma.. It is not an " open group so it cannot be invaded by miscreants except me >:-< getting it all 'a for e' The intention is that this discussion group is not moderated subject to self imposed rules of decency and manner. Any traffic which is directly abusive or ill mannered is liable not to reach the forum and the sender may well be excised. Once the group is operating it will be up to those in the group to determine what they want to discuss. Postmaster@boc.net will simply relay traffic to and from the mailing list using in the latter case those whose addresses are current. If you reply with the word SIGNON in the Subject Field your mailbox ie. the one you respond from will automatically be logged and entered into the Forum Mailing list. If you wish such mail to be directed at another mailbox then send a SIGNON message from that address instead. Thus - BOCForum-L@boc.net with the Subject field containing """SIGNON BOCForum-L"" without the parenthesis from your preferred " address. On receipt at boc.net Your given name and email address will be added automatically. "field set to ""SIGNOFF BOCForum-L"" without the parenthesis from that " same address. On receipt your name and email address will be removed automatically. You do not have to put anything in the message window signing on or signing off since the operation is semi automatic content is irrelevant and will not be transmitted further... unless you wish to say something pertinent to set the ball rolling... It might help if you identify your contributions to the Forum by your name that way people know who they are talking to. All mail traffic is sent using the signed on mailing list and copied Bcc: so it cannot be used to trawl a list of communicants. "The rest is up to you. Spread it around your sections, area, county, " country. As more people join the internet we at least have reached "another goal, and if you have any other useful ideas then by all " means throw them in. Hope this helps. "Fingers crossed this will now work properly. Mutter, mutter, mutter. " "cheers, and further grovelling from the Postmaster@.( " Bob Postmaster@boc.net la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA03292 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:15:58 -0800 (PST) " From: Postmaster "Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:12:55 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: SIGNON BOCForum-L "In article , " Andrew Blow wrote: "> Hi, " > This is Andrew Blow here. "> Not quite sure how a Forum works, but it sound fun, so I'll join up. " > Andrew Blow > Winterbourne Monkton > SN4 9NW UK > 01672 539689 > Fax: 0171 919 4479 Sort of like this I guess Postmaster@boc.net "L@boc.net>; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:17:56 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:19:00 -0800 " From: Bob Schmitt Subject: Forum Acknowledgement References: <48cbb1447cBOCForum-L@argonet.co.uk> Postmaster & Andrew - Just sending a note that I seem to have received one message from the forum - sort of like clearing my throat so my presence is noted! "The forum sounds like it will be entertaining and useful, especially " because my restoration has resumed! "I'm on a similar ""mailing list"" service for Imperials (the cars, of " course) - interesting that both makes shared an engine at one time. "Bob Schmitt (Burbank, CA) " "> In article , " > Andrew Blow wrote: "> > Hi, " > > This is Andrew Blow here. "> > Not quite sure how a Forum works, but it sound fun, so I'll join up. " > > Andrew Blow > > Winterbourne Monkton > > SN4 9NW UK > > 01672 539689 > > Fax: 0171 919 4479 > Sort of like this I guess > Postmaster@boc.net la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA15983 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:37:13 -0800 (PST) " From: Postmaster "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:29:19 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: mailing list "In article <199901281750_MC2-685D-9379@compuserve.com>, " Ivor Goodliffe <100666.1250@compuserve.com> wrote: > SIGNON BOCForum-L OK Ivor your in. Glad to see you with us on this 'voyage'. Bob From: Postmaster "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:36:46 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Over 10K today "Hi folks, " Just to let you know - as if you didn't? - We just broke the TEN THOUSAND hit barrier sometime in the last twenty four hours. I'm dead chuffed!:-)) "That's even more folks than live in my town Lanark, Scotland. ;)) " Nice that we achieved this as we consolidate our permanent home which I hope will provide at least the answer to Stephen's problem... Sorry Stephen I cannot help with Overdrives my 400 isn't quite that modern. On another tack I note some Mailers also send an HTML copy of the text. If it is possible (and I have no idea if it is) can you please switch that part off when mailing - because if I just bounce the messages on I might miss that and waste your bandwidth by duplicating the message. It also saves time censoring it out. Or do some of you you need them left in? We haven't established our protocols its really up to the participants. eg. should we allow attachments to the list mail? I don't think it is a good idea because it will take longer to load your messages at both ends. Any thoughts? "Thanks, " Bob Charlton la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA27768 for " (envelope-from swall@bollingtoninsurance.co.uk) " "From: ""Stephen Wall"" " Subject: First tentative message and a question "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:44:39 -0000 " Hello to all. To set the ball rolling has anybody got any idea why the overdrive on my 1956 405 works great when then engine is cold and warm but is very reluctant to engage when the engine is hot. For example It always "engages when I join the M6 30 mins from home, but when I get to " Birmingham and get stuck in traffic it won't re-engage when it clears. Any ideas? "regards, " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Re: Over 10K today CC: Bristol_sale@digitalmail.com "Definitely no attachments and no html. Keep it simple text, please. " "No idea on the hot overdrive problem, will ask various gurus. " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA13883 for ; "Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:15:42 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Bristol cars and parts sale CC: Bristol_sale@digitalmail.com Bristol Bring & Buy Sale. "This new event is happening on Saturday April 17th nr Reading, England. " Details in due course will be published on my Web site www.racecar.co.uk/andrewblow and in the BOC Newsletter. "The emphasis will be on cars for restoration and on parts, mainly 6 " "cylinder cars I expect, but including at least one 408 and possibly a 409 " "at ""sensible"" prices. " End of sales pitch. "Just saw a pair of very historic and interesting 2 litres today, namely a " "401 with all sorts of mods by the factory to 403 spec, plus overdrive and " "100 D2 engine, as owned by the late, great, Dudley Rylett, and a 405 with " """hot"" engine as currently owned by Bob Austin, Dudley's son in law. Both " "were actively campaigned in sprints and hill climbs back in the 70s, and " haven't been seen since. Both need some sympathetic restoration (the 401 "has had paint stripped off), but neither should be stripped for parts. " Anyone who can convince me of their good intentions should get in touch. I hope to get both to the above event. bye for now Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA01188 for ; "Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:45:25 -0800 (PST) " "L@boc.net>; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:37:28 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:38:41 -0800 " From: Bob Schmitt Subject: Re: Over 10K today References: <48cc005ae9Postmaster@argonet.co.uk> Bob - "Congraulations on the 10K mark! My Frazer Nash site just went over 2K, " but took 16 months to get there. The other mailing list I belong to (Imperial cars) does not allow "For forum members with large(r) attachments, I have some web space to " donate and would be pleased to post any such attachments. Bob Schmitt "iprolink.co.nz (2.54.1/2.54.1) with ESMTP id VAA203982 for ; Sat, 30 " Jan 1999 21:47:36 +1300 "Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:50:42 +1300 " From: Chris Browne Subject: List protocols Bob wrote: >On another tack I note some Mailers also send an HTML copy of the >text. If it is possible (and I have no idea if it is) can you please >switch that part off when mailing - because if I just bounce the >messages on I might miss that and waste your bandwidth by duplicating >the message. It also saves time censoring it out. Or do some of you >you need them left in? Leave them out. It is a waste of tiem and bandwith. It can be turned off (as I recall from frustrated messages on other mailing lists giving directions on how to do it). >We haven't established our protocols its really up to the >participants. eg. should we allow attachments to the list mail? No attachments. I agree with Andrew. Simple text is desirable. Attachments are generally bad news on a mailing list. No one attaching a document can possible know whether everyone will have an application to open it. If it "is text, there is no need for attachments. If it is a graphic file, " downloading should be optional (ie put it on a website or mail to those who want it and who can open it). Chris Browne "Auckland, New Zealand " irie@iprolink.co.nz From: Bob Charlton "Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:13:15 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: BOC NetNews #11 "In article <36B0ABC6.6DCF@pacbell.net>, " Bob Schmitt wrote: > Bob - "> Thanks, as always, for the nice addition to the printed Bristol " > news. Some interesting Frazer Nash developments: Too kind... "> 1. Work has resumed on my car in Arizona, as of last Friday! " Good you'll be pleased to see more progress. "> 2. I got the following from Jim Trigwell: " > Subject: Re: Ned Curtis' Mille Miglia "> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:03:20 -0000 " > From: James Trigwell > To: Bob Schmitt "> Bob, " > What a coincidence! I have just seen Ned's Mille Miglia (# 124) "> in a garage not half a mile from my office, where it has been " > completely stripped and is now being carefully rebuilt. It has been "> bought by John Coombes, who was a famous entrant in the early 60's " > - mainly Jaguars raced in England by various people including "> Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, so it will be rebuilt properly. " White with a Blue Tartan Ribbon one wonders? > I also popped in to Bill Roberts' place to have my Nash prepared > for some light competition next month and there was another Mille > Miglia (# 161) which has come back from New Zealand and is being > prepared for the new owner to use at the same race that I am hoping > to enter. It is a beautiful car. Interesting that there should be such interest after all these years. > And last July at the big Silverstone historic event I saw MM # 115 "> fresh from a rebuild, so that is 3 Mille Miglias in 6 months! If " > you want any details/photos for your rebuild please let me know. "> : Jim"" " My correspondent Michael Parr who has the Black car I sent you a jpg copy. Has now acquired a Cooper Bristol and a Race engine purported to be one the FN Registrar was long looking for(thought lost). "His car is being fettled up for campaigning, albeit from the rear " (he has no qualifying points to get him further up the grid) I hope he does well and doesn't bend himself. "> 3. Finally, per your message following this one, I sent an email to " > join the Bristol Forum. What/when can I expect anything? I hope that by the time you read this you'll have received a number of bounced messages. I think I've got the gears sorted now after a hazardous start... and now all I need to learn is how hard to ply the brakes or not. Where the vehicle goes I do not know...?:-O I'm not strictly in the driving seat... %-) "Its there for those who want to use it to further contact, knowledge, " "get help, give help, learn, diseminate knowledge, and if there's a " subject in mind kick it about a bit. Great stuff learning of the Bristol Heritage outfit in Tenn.USA.. Flad to have their contact. We were at the launch of the BAe collection a couple of years or so back. Sir George White ( the present incumbent of title ) is on the Board of Trustees for that so common ground there. I wonder if the USA owners would be interested in making contact with a view to meeting there and in turn perhaps forging some more local links than I or Peter can manage from our respective domiciles? > Bob Schmitt "> (Burbank, where it's crystal clear with snow on the nearby hills!) " Bob ( Lanark where we are in low lying cloud 750 feet above the Clyde Valley ) Its wet damp and raining but no Snow. "In fact yesterday was just like Spring, Blue Sky no clouds and Bright " Sunshine. Quite Unbelievable!;)) "cheers, " Bob Charlton la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA12149 for ; "Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:14:44 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:07:33 +0000 " From: Sue & Richard Peacock Subject: SIGON BOCForum-L Hope this gets to you as I had a funny error message the last time I tried. Sue & Richard Peacock "Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:21:47 +0000 " From: Sue & Richard Peacock Subject: Late news I don't know if its too late but I was talking to Enrie Cooper yesterday "and he and his beautiful 400 are to be featured in March, Classic & " Sport due out Thursday 4th. Wondered if you had space as members might like to see it. Sue & Richard Peacock Forum operates via the Club group address Forum@boc.net la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA25979 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:39:48 -0800 (PST) " From: Bob Charlton "Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:08:19 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Facilities available to all In case some of you have not heard though I have asked that it be "distributed in all clubs members of BOCA., BRONZ., ARNOLT Registry, " are all entitled if they wish to use the BOC Service area and to order applicable items or services via the listed addressees. eg. If someone in BOCA wants a print of a particular (listed)article "or a manual etc., " All they have to do is quote their Club and Club Membership Number. You'll have to check with Arnold Bettess for costs and arnold usually waits until he has received payment prior to dispatch. If you have not been advised by your own club yet the address of the Club annex area to the boc.net domain is ; http://www.boc.net/bristol/service.html Apart from postage you will all be charged the same rate as BOC members. The club sees this as an important development which improves contact and will further the preservation of older Bristol "cars, one of all our clubs primary aims. " You may also contact Arnold Bettess by Email although it is not yet listed in the pages at address ; abettess@ac.accross.uk Hope this is of interest. Please pass it on to those members not on the net if they get stuck for some data they too can write or come to an arrangement to view the data and enquire of cost by email with your assistance. This includes REGALIA though it will probably be impractical to accept returns of Clothing... it rather depends how well the parcels are treated in the post... Check this with the Regalia Secretary Debbie Leonard c/o. lisa@biebuyck.kemc.co.uk "Hope this helps, " Bob Charlton Postmaster@boc.net Forum operates via the address Forum@boc.net From: Bob Charlton "Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:26:07 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Minor additions(#603) Can I commend you to reading some new notes on the 'Media' and 'News' pages as well as the new 'Forum' page in the 'Club area' of http://www.boc.net/bristol/ Newest are in Red and older in faded Red - you'll see what I mean if images 'are on'. Apology for not spotting link problem from http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/charlton/www/bristol/ for those who have not yet switched addresses to the club Domain. It was wrong missing a couple of links. >:-< Now its been fixed. :-) I'd have fixed it sooner but no-one had mentioned the fault./:-\ Articles reported in past Week-end Telegraph Motoring Section with illustration by Geoff.Hawkins and News of the long awaited AC Ace book - which I'm sure will be of great interest to at least three persons who I know peruse these notes closely. ;)) and Yes alas more money reqd.. ):-( I said this was minor and so I've not qualified this notelet as dreaded issue #13 so in true Bristolian fashion I'll call it #603 ;)) The next will be #14 and hopefully clear of any broken link reports. "cheers, " Bob Charlton Postmaster@boc.net la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA16341 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:42:27 -0800 (PST) " "oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10646 for ; Sat, " 6 Feb 1999 16:59:34 +1100 (EST) "Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:03:35 " From: Hugh & Maur Knox Subject: Bristols at Oran Park Just back from a glorious sunny summer day at the track just west of Sydney for the Historic Sports and race cars meeting I for once did not campaign the 403 as I am getting closer to finishing the 404 and will want to sell the 403 in Good condition! "We had a 403 running on 15"" rims ex Mercedes C Class plus a newly restored " "Arnolt Bristol on racing dunlops and, to add spice to the collection, an AC " Ace Bristol. They all ran in regularity the 403 putting up some excellent times but all looking and running well. Cheers Hugh HUGH KNOX. 230 Hudson Parade Clareville NSW 2107 Fax 99731002 To JOIN send mail and in Subject place SIGNON BOCForum-L From: Bob Charlton "Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 14:09:53 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: resent contribution 1st post may have failed Just back from a glorious sunny summer day at the track just west of Sydney for the Historic Sports and race cars meeting I for once did not campaign the 403 as I am getting closer to finishing the 404 and will want to sell the 403 in Good condition! We had a 403 running on "15"" rims ex Mercedes C Class plus a newly restored Arnolt Bristol on " "racing dunlops and, to add spice to the collection, an AC Ace " Bristol. They all ran in regularity the 403 putting up some excellent times but all looking and running well. Cheers Hugh HUGH KNOX. 230 Hudson Parade Clareville NSW 2107 Fax 99731002 Postmaster@boc.net "la1.pacbell.net>; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:17:56 -0800 (PST) " fep6.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA25807 for ; "Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:00:03 +1100 (EST) " "Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:06:02 " From: Hugh & Maur Knox Subject: my 404 rebuild "Just a shot in the dark, but perhaps someone may be able to help. " The 404 I am now rebuilding is ex UK S Lane Jones and whilst it arrived here fairly complete it was dismantled probably 20 years ago in the UK and is OK apart from one exception. The pair of bright chrome strips above the valance panels on the wings are "missing, I have the door strips but lack these others. " Could it be possible someone has them? If so would be a big help as otherwise it will be necessary to fashion new from virgin brass. HUGH KNOX. 230 Hudson Parade Clareville NSW 2107 Fax 99731002 *NOTE* BOCForum-L now renamed operates via the address Forum@boc.net Your application has been noted and added to the Forum Distribution List Existing addresses have been transferred to the Forum Distribution List la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA00759 for "Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:15 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Sunny days in Sydney CC: Bristol_sale@digitalmail.com Very envious of all this. My Ace Bristol MUST see the road this year. regards Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:15 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: your 404 rebuild CC: Bristol_sale@digitalmail.com Hugh "I think these have to be posted as missing, and unlikely to be found. " "This car was dis-mantled a long time ago, I think by Alan Skyrme. Spencer " "then bought it, and it was moved a couple of times. I took photos of all " the bits when we sold it to Geoff Dowdle. We did notice that the two "window trims were missing, but could not find them. " "I suggest you try Brian May, or possibly consider getting some from a 405 " as a pattern. Best of luck. Glad this car will soon be up and running again. "regards, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 *NOTE* BOCForum-L now renamed operates via the address Forum@boc.net Your application has been noted and added to the Forum Distribution List Existing addresses have been transferred to the Forum Distribution List "la1.pacbell.net>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:08:33 -0800 (PST) " From: Bob Charlton "Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:04:40 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Venting crankcase with Pancakes on SU's Has anyone converted a type 85A engine fitted with original triple SU Carbs. - to separate Panncake Air filters replacing both the existing Balance Chamber and Crankcase Ventilation return into the Drum style Air Filter Chamber. I'd be interested in any practical experiments of the alternatives... eg. To know if it is deemed more worthwhile to re-vent the Crankcase by a balance pipe across the three new separate Carb Filters... or To treat the Crankcase Ventilation as a separate element altogether and use a Venturi Tube style vent after the fashion of the 404?/405. Any info of practical problems discovered apart from the obvious risc of Carb icing in Colder weather taking the latter course. It has been reported that there is an increased risc of fire but that would presume the venting and Air/Fuel vapour mix was markedly less effective than the original system. This must have been a common modification in Hotter Climates? Any data gladly received. "Thanks in anticipation, " Bob Charlton From: Bob Charlton "Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:58:10 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Club Graphics "Can anyone send me the Club Graphics for BOC Australia, Bronz, and " Arnolt Registry? It seems a bit daft having links to the various overseas officials but no equivalent graphic on the index page. I presume you all have at least one? "Thanks in anticipation, " Also can you advise how the experimental new graphic on the Home Page header is appearing. I don't have a PC so a comparison of notes is useful. "Thanks, again " Bob Charlton "Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:30:03 +0000 (GMT) " From: Bob Charlton Subject: Re: Club Graphics References: <000701be5ffd$2f6a1ac0$3f5608c3@stephen-wall> "In article <000701be5ffd$2f6a1ac0$3f5608c3@stephen-wall>, " Stephen Wall wrote: "> Bob, " > I have been avoiding work in my office this morning/afternoon and > have checked over the latest additions to the website - the > graphics look fine on a PC with 800 x 600 resolution. "> I remember that you pointed me in the direction of a ""members " "> services"" page (handbook?) but I lost the URL when I bought a new " > notebook. Am I talking jibberish or does this make sense? I need it > to order a copy workshop manual for the 405. "> Regards, sw " "Thanks Stephen, glad something is working OK., I think I have now " "discovered another bug in the maillist software, I'll have to consult " with the author. At least I have direct access. Which helps. It probably hasn't been spotted because there are not too many private subscribers with as large a potential list of contacts using it at the moment. The details you require are to add /service.html to the domain address. Arnold should be on-line Monday-Friday office hours. Let me know if you have any problems. I've added his Email address in the contact details section. Meanwhile I'll keep tracking traffic through the system. The problem seems to lie with the auto bounce broadcast element. There's always something...?:-) "cheers, " From: Bob Charlton "Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:08:47 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: BOC Club - Semi-related References: <000701be5ffd$2f6a1ac0$3f5608c3@stephen-wall> Bob et al. - > > I have been avoiding work in my office this morning/afternoon and > > have checked over the latest additions to the website - the > > graphics look fine on a PC with 800 x 600 resolution. I think it's been mentioned before that the March issue of Classic & Sports Car reviews Ernie Cooper's Bristol 400. I don't usually get "this magazine (subscribe to T&CC, though) so it was through a new " Frazer Nash owner in NY that I heard my Frazer Nash web site was mentioned favorably in Mick Walsh's column (p 151) in this issue. http://home.pacbell.net/bsbrbank/Index.html I apologize if this reinforces the stereotype of Yanks (and residents "of ""near LA) tooting their own horns! " The restoration of my car has re-commenced and I'll be looking for "tech advice shortly, esp. to locate a replacement knock-off wheel, " presumably destroyed in the accident that laid this car up more than 30 years ago. Bob (Burbank) [ Congratulations Bob I didn't know that. I thought we were doing rather well - nice to know its even better... BY THE WAY I've added "Frazer Nash to the intro of the Home Page... Glad its reading OK., " I've just spotted the Badge was a bit crooked by over comression so I've reinflated it ;)) rgds. - Bob ] From: Bob Charlton "Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:14:01 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: More 400 publicity References: <48d98d78f8Postmaster@argonet.co.uk> "In article , " Andrew Blow wrote: "> Classic Cars have just done the photos for a ""back to back"" story " > on the 400 and a 327/80 BMW. "That should be interesting, pity I dont know the address of the " "original owner, I met him briefly at Mellerstain House a couple of " years ago. He came especially to see the 400 saying he has always regretted selling his. "> The 400 was Ed Weinberger's car, and the driver was yours truly. " > Should be out in the April-dated issue I think. Guess that will be out next week then? > Andrew Blow > Winterbourne Monkton > SN4 9NW UK > 01672 539689 > Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Thanks, " Bob Charlton la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA00439 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:03:21 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:08:44 -0500 " Sender: S de Burca From: S de Burca Subject: Model Cars Does anyone know whether scale models of any Bristol cars have ever been produced or are available? There seems to be plenty Bristol Omnibuses out there but not many cars. SdeB debushau@operamail.com debushau@earthlink.net "Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:48:07 +0000 " From: Sue & Richard Peacock Subject: Re: Model Cars "In message <48dc35f933Postmaster@argonet.co.uk>, Bob Charlton " writes ">In article , " > S de Burca wrote: >> Does anyone know whether scale models of any Bristol cars have ever >> been produced or are available? There seems to be plenty Bristol >> Omnibuses out there but not many cars. >'Spot-On' did a model of the Type 406 several colours reported. >'Dinky' did a model of the Type 450 Green with different numbers >'Dinky' did a model of the 'Cooper Bristol'. ">""Mik an' Sue"" made White Metal kits of 'Type 400' and '404/x' (no " >longer available) ">There was a true to scale model made of the 'Type 401', Maker I " >cannot remember but it is still available circa 30 UK pounds.. check >good Model shops not Chain Stores. >A 'Type 404' model was rumoured but I've never seen one yet. >The Dinky and Spot On models are often to be seen. >I have also found a BMW Drophead by Dinky upon which part of the Type ">400 was based. Have not researched 'Frazer Nash', 'Lister Bristol' " >etc.. Quite possible models were released of these. >Sports and racing car models always had a following. >Any models seen other than these please advise. >Hope this helps >Bob -The 401 model was produced by 'Pathfinder........ A'Cooper Bristol' was produced by 'Copycat' and 'Merlyn Models' produced a 400 .'Sun' produced a white metal kit of the 450 and a French firm produced plastic kits to reproduce the open 450 of 1955 and the Bristol engined A C Richard Peacock . la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA15102 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:07:59 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:27:08 +0000 " From: Sue & Richard Peacock Subject: Re: Model Cars "In message , S de Burca " writes >Does anyone know whether scale models of any Bristol cars have ever been >produced or are available? There seems to be plenty Bristol Omnibuses out >there but not many cars. >SdeB >______________________ >debushau@operamail.com >debushau@earthlink.net "There is a comprehensive (at the time)-article in B.O.C. Bulletin-No.79, (Summer " 1988). written by Jon Winding Sorensen and entitled 'Model Mania; which gives lots of information on this subject. There are also several model makers who "will make specific models to order. The B.O.C. Reprint Service will, I am sure, " be able to supply a copy of this article. Richard Peacock "Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Re: More 400 publicity "Sorry, got that wrong. " "Will be May dated issue, as journalist was still writing story on " Friday... Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Models of Bristol cars Suggest you try Peter Radcliffe at Peter@mmcars.demon.co.uk and Merrymeet Model Cars http://www.mmcars.co.uk "Peter is a Bristol 412 owner and makes Bristol models to commission, and " supplies a wide range of models. "regards, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: More 400 publicity CC: puffer@cix.co.uk "Classic Cars have just done the photos for a ""back to back"" story on the " 400 and a 327/80 BMW. They couldn't find a UK 327 coupe (fixed head) so it "was a drophead, which is a bit of a shame. " "The 400 was Ed Weinberger's car, and the driver was yours truly. " Should be out in the April-dated issue I think. "cheers, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 From: Bob Charlton "Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:01:40 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: Model Cars References: "In article , " S de Burca wrote: > Does anyone know whether scale models of any Bristol cars have ever > been produced or are available? There seems to be plenty Bristol > Omnibuses out there but not many cars. 'Spot-On' did a model of the Type 406 several colours reported. 'Dinky' did a model of the Type 450 Green with different numbers 'Dinky' did a model of the 'Cooper Bristol'. """Mik an' Sue"" made White Metal kits of 'Type 400' and '404/x' (no " longer available) "There was a true to scale model made of the 'Type 401', Maker I " cannot remember but it is still available circa 30 UK pounds.. check good Model shops not Chain Stores. A 'Type 404' model was rumoured but I've never seen one yet. The Dinky and Spot On models are often to be seen. I have also found a BMW Drophead by Dinky upon which part of the Type "400 was based. Have not researched 'Frazer Nash', 'Lister Bristol' " etc.. Quite possible models were released of these. Sports and racing car models always had a following. Any models seen other than these please advise. Hope this helps Bob la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06308 for ; "Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:38:29 -0800 (PST) " "Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Models of Bristol cars Suggest you try Peter Radcliffe at Peter@mmcars.demon.co.uk and Merrymeet Model Cars http://www.mmcars.co.uk "Peter is a Bristol 412 owner and makes Bristol models to commission, and " supplies a wide range of models. "regards, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:38:26 -0800 (PST) " From: Bob Charlton "Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:36:24 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Re: Models of Bristol cars References: <48dc35f933Postmaster@argonet.co.uk> "In article , " Andrew Blow wrote: > Suggest you try Peter Radcliffe at Peter@mmcars.demon.co.uk and > Merrymeet Model Cars http://www.mmcars.co.uk Peter is a Bristol "> 412 owner and makes Bristol models to commission, and supplies a " > wide range of models. Thanks Andrew there goes more money. /:-\ FYI Shane 'et al' a little extra investigation provides the following interesting data. Bristol Models currently Stocked are 'Resin' kits of Type 450 as run "at Le Mans 24 Hr. races in years 1953, '54 and '55. " They are all priced at 24 UK Pounds + Post and Packing which naturally varies according to final destination. There are many other kits and completed car kits are available to order. In the case of the Type 450 the cost is an additional 45 UK pounds. The only other model I noticed listed also and Bristol powered was that of an AC ACE Bristol... Now who do I know has an AC ACE Bristol?;-) "Hope this helps, cheers, " To Contribute to Forum subscribers use the address Forum@boc.net "Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Re: Venting crankcase with Pancakes on SUs CC: puffer@cix.co.uk "Bob, I assume Alexa's car has been modified in the way you suggest, though " maybe she has had to keep the standard air cleaner for originality? "All my 400s have had Solexes, which of course don't use a balance chamber. " "Curiously enough, one of the 400s I have in for sale (KSK 417, 400/111) " "which has an ""85AC"" engine, does have the three Solexes connected via " "their base plates, a modification which Spencer had not seen before, and " about which much discussion ensued. I am a firm believer in leaving things "alone, so no tests have been performed with these tubes connected compared " with blanking them off. "With regard to the crankcase breather via the rocker cover, I have always " just fitted an external tube down to sump level as per 405 and 406s without any obvious problems. "Hope this helps, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:46:11 +0000 (GMT) " From: Bob Charlton Subject: Re: My Ace Bristol References: <48d970b609Postmaster@argonet.co.uk> "On 26 Feb, Andrew Blow wrote: " "> Bob, in the latest copy of ACtion, there is reference to ACOC's new " > web site at www.racecar.co.uk\acoc (described as temporary) and > www.acoc.co.uk "> (""will be""). Haven't had a look myself yet. " Thanks I'll pass this on I'm sure Bob Scmitt will be interested. "cheers, " Bob Charlton "Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:26:53 +0000 (GMT) " From: Bob Charlton Subject: ERA Bristol I recently came across a reference to ERA (English Racing Automobiles)? having constructed a team of 4 cars circa 1952 to camnpaign in the 2 litres series of track races. Plus that there is a connection with Stirling Moss who was driving for ERA as well as other sponsors through his varied and continuing career. This was all astonishing news to me and I immediately contacted someone I know who has paid a certain amount of interest to Bristol Engined Cars on the track. He had never heard of this... and yet I have secured a very poor picture of what I take to be one of the cars in question. Has anyone else here picked up on this connection before? or any other Racing teams or Marques using Bristol Engines - not already commented upon in the miscellaneous page of the website? "Thanks in anticipation, " Bob Charlton "Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:12:27 +0000 " From: roger pugh Subject: Practical classics April 1999 page 62 Whilst browsing the car magazines in the supermarket today i saw in the index of "practical classics a referance to Bristol 406's, so i bought the magazine. When i got home " i was VERY supprised to find out that MY 406 had just undergone a restoration. The article "printed concerned the work that was done in 1993 on behalf of Joe Peirce, a previous " "owner of 23 years. I know that magazines are compiled a little in advance, but 6 YEARS! " Does anyone have any clues on this? Sig Roger Pugh la1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id DAA29436 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:43:23 -0800 (PST) " "oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12822 for ; Sat, " 13 Mar 1999 10:18:32 +1100 (EST) "Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:24:44 " From: Hugh & Maur Knox Subject: Re: Restoration Surprises Having reached the later stages of restoring 404 s/no 2015 ex UK in pieces some 6 years ago and probably taken apart some 20 years earlier I decided to take measurements for the addition of seat belts. So took drivers seat off shelf and placed into body for the vital statistics re length of the various straps--- all OK However when removing seat after the measuring effort noticed small scraps of newspaper on the floor pan. Turned seat over and on close examination found a mouse nest inside the dunlopillo cushion... bloody hell I thought the mice had got in during the time these parts were stored in the hangar where the work is being done! "Not so, on close examination of the scraps turns out to be a Welsh " newsapaper that unfortunately did not have a date legible but had been there a long time? HUGH KNOX. 230 Hudson Parade Clareville NSW 2107 Fax 99731002 "Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " From: puffer@cix.co.uk (Andrew Blow) Subject: Re: ERA Bristol Cc: puffer@cix.co.uk "G-type ERA , developed as a Formula 2 car with Bristol engine, turned into " the Bristol 450 didn't it? Not sure about a team of four ERA cars however. Postwar ERAs were not at all successful. Stirling Moss drove this G type "ERA in the 1952 European GP at Spa where it retired, and also at " Silverstone in the British GP that year; it also retired here and at a couple of other circuits. At the end of 1952 ERA threw in the towel and sold the lot to Bristols. "See ""British Racing Green"" by Anthony Pritchard, Allen & Unwin, 1969. " "regards, " Andrew Blow Winterbourne Monkton SN4 9NW UK Fax: 0171 919 4479 "Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:16:08 +0000 (GMT) " From: Bob Charlton Subject: Re: ERA Bristol References: <48e00f8ed1charlton@argonet.co.uk> "In article , " Andrew Blow wrote: "> G-type ERA , developed as a Formula 2 car with Bristol engine, " > turned into the Bristol 450 didn't it? I believe the ERA Chassis was studied I've seen a picture of it with a Bristol engine fitted but it had no bodywork at the time. There is a picture of the ERA with bodywork (it could be Formula 2) not up on the niceties of such things ca.52 myself ...but I know a man who is :-) and I've asked him to dig out his attic!:-) > Not sure about a team of four ERA cars however. That is as was reported in the Bristol Company Newspaper prior 1952. > Postwar ERAs were not at all successful. Stirling Moss drove this G "> type ERA in the 1952 European GP at Spa where it retired, and also " > at Silverstone in the British GP that year; it also retired here > and at a couple of other circuits. Not exactly a great package then! > At the end of 1952 ERA threw in the towel and sold the lot to > Bristols. But did they then have Bristol engines or someone elses? Surely virtually everyone else was using them with some success. "> See ""British Racing Green"" by Anthony Pritchard, Allen & Unwin, " > 1969. I suppose it might be obtainable fronm the local library but I won't hold my breath. /:-\ "Thanks, I'll have to see if I can extract the data concerned for the " bibliography. > Andrew Blow > Winterbourne Monkton > SN4 9NW UK > 01672 539689 > Fax: 0171 919 4479 Bob Charlton "Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:38:35 +0000 (GMT) " From: Bob Charlton Subject: Godfrey It is with great regret I have to inform you that Godfrey Charles "Oxley-Sidey, passed away peacefully at home on Sunday Morning " 14th.March at the age of 88. Godfrey was BOC President and a Founder member of the UK BMW/Bristol Club subsequently later to form the Bristol Owners Club. "A Widower, his wife Lorraine having died some years ago, he is " "survived by his Daughter Frances, and Son Michael to whom we express " our deepest sympathy. A Service will be held at 10.00am on Friday Morning 19th March at "St.Olafs Church in Ramsey, Isle of Man. " "Therefrom (Family Only), will depart to attend a private cremation. " Godfrey had expressed the wish that there be 'no flowers' and that any donations 'in lieu' should be sent to the 'Help the Aged' Charity. Frances has indicated the intention to have a Memorial Service later this year in London. Details will be presented to the club in the usual manner. The club is arranging for an attendance of the Marque at the Church. I have asked the owner of the 404 prototype if he can manage to take the car along. Other owners have likewise been contacted. "Alas there is no 405 D on the island. Godfrey's favourite Bristol, " if you had not already guessed from his own books of the marque. Bob Charlton From: Bob Charlton postmaster@argonet.co.uk "Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:38:35 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: Godfrey ReSent-From: Bob Charlton It is with great regret I have to inform you that Godfrey Charles "Oxley-Sidey, passed away peacefully at home on Sunday Morning " 14th.March at the age of 88. Godfrey was BOC President and a Founder member of the UK BMW/Bristol Club subsequently later to form the Bristol Owners Club. "A Widower, his wife Lorraine having died some years ago, he is " "survived by his Daughter Frances, and Son Michael to whom we express " our deepest sympathy. A Service will be held at 10.00am on Friday Morning 19th March at "St.Olafs Church in Ramsey, Isle of Man. " "Therefrom (Family Only), will depart to attend a private cremation. " Godfrey had expressed the wish that there be 'no flowers' and that any donations 'in lieu' should be sent to the 'Help the Aged' Charity. Frances has indicated the intention to have a Memorial Service later this year in London. Details will be presented to the club in the usual manner. The club is arranging for an attendance of the Marque at the Church. I have asked the owner of the 404 prototype if he can manage to take the car along. Other owners have likewise been contacted. "Alas there is no 405 D on the island. Godfrey's favourite Bristol, " if you had not already guessed from his own books of the marque. Bob Charlton From: Bob Charlton "Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:26:12 +0000 (GMT) " Subject: #NetNews 603 or I'm ducking 13 As is usual in Bristol circles the issue after 12 and before 14 has adopted the code 603. Cries of Chicken I suspect... but why tempt providence? This time of month sees a glut of magazines on the rack and hopefully more of Bristolian Matter. "Some new items are thus illustrated on the website ""Media"" page and " quite the find almost slipped through the Net. A potted history of the life and times of Richard II... erm Mead that is. No wonder I couldn't trace him post 1960 for by the account he never traded in the UK beyond that date. "So references abound in the usual sources, CC C&S and Practical " "Classics for those who are interested, suitable references abound. " During the course of the month more membership renewals have slowed the progress of the release of chassis lists but they are coming along nicely and will be sooner rather than later. In an old Bristol review I came across a reference to ERA adopting the Bristol power plant for their 2 litre team cars and this led to none other than Stirling Moss. Did he ever race a Bristol engined ERA I "wondered. Attempting to find out. In the meantime the ""Misc"" page has " "been updated as has the ""Home"" page to reflect more accurate coverage " of other marques using the Bristol engine. (see Joe Kelly) Once again there are a number of cosmetic changes to the Website with the emphasis on _THE_ for I have sent links to America to be inserted in place of the Utah website www.team.net/www/bristol/ and likewise to www.team.net.sol/ or Sol/euroclubs. But have yet to see any action. Nevertheless if anyone asks for the address please do tender the URL: http://www.boc.net/bristol/ This is the Bristol Club website. "A couple of tidy cars were sold at auction, these being a 400 and a " 406 were reported sold at highest bids of 14K UKP and 7.5K UKP respectively. Both excellent condition and the 400 described as excellent/fully restored. Depressing results for both owners and a lesson